The Spiritual Forum
Welcome to The Spiritual Forum, a space curated by Rev Carol Saunders for extraordinary conversations that explore the realms of spiritual living. Join us weekly for heart-to-heart dialogues with captivating individuals, delving into themes like love, faith, awakening, forgiveness, healing, spiritual practices, and divine encounters. These transformative narratives aim to inspire, fostering a deep connection to the profound experiences that shape our lives. Rev Carol’s guests include authors, filmmakers, experts, and everyday individuals who authentically share their journeys toward wholeness. These discussions transcend the ordinary, offering insights into navigating the complexities of our current world with authenticity and grace.
Episodes

Monday Dec 18, 2023
Episode 239 - The Birth of the Inner Christ
Monday Dec 18, 2023
Monday Dec 18, 2023
In this episode, Rev. Carol shares a spiritual interpretation of the Christmas story. The story tells of the birth of the Christ Presence on Earth in the baby Jesus, but it also tells us of the birth of the Christ consciousness in us.
The Christmas story combines the accounts in Matthew chapters 1 & 2 and Luke chapters 1 & 2. It has been told for over 2000 years and we see it depicted in nativity scenes in homes, churches and cities. Some people believe the account to be true. Others believe it is a birth story, created to exalt the person of Jesus. Still others believe it is 100% story. Beyond all that, what does it mean for us? This is a condensed retelling of the Christmas Eve service that Rev. Carol led at the Unity church she founded. She shares metaphysical interpretations of all the key elements in the story. Every character is a part of you! Let this story come alive in you this Christmas season!
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Monday Dec 11, 2023
Episode 238 - Step Into A New Life! with Rev. James Martin
Monday Dec 11, 2023
Monday Dec 11, 2023
Are you being called by the Divine to step into a new way of life?
Is there some aspect of yourself that keeps you bound or unfree that you are ready to leave behind?
Is there a person in your life who you need to unbind in some way so they can freely step into a new way of life?
These questions and more are explored in this episode with guest, Rev. James Martin as we delve into the story of Jesus raising Lazarus from the dead. You may think this story has little to do with you, but you are invited to find yourself in the characters and see it come alive.
Guest bio: Rev. Martin is a Jesuit priest, editor at large of America magazine, consultor to the Vatican’s Dicastery for Communication, and author of the New York Times bestsellers Learning to Pray, Jesus: A Pilgrimage, and The Jesuit Guide to (Almost) Everything. Father Martin is a frequent commentator in the national and international media, having appeared on all the major networks and outlets like: The Colbert Report, NPR’s Fresh Air, the New York Times, and The Wall Street Journal. In his latest book, Come Forth! he examines one of the most intriguing events in the New Testament—the story of Jesus raising Lazarus from the dead—and explains its significance for us today. In this episode we talk about:
• Being open to the call of Spirit and living lives of transformation
• The story of Lazurus from historical and metaphorical perspectives
• The symbols of the tomb and the command “unbind him”
• The important role of community in a “coming forth” experience
• The many ways we can personally experience death and rebirth
• The story of Mary and Martha – action and receptivity and how both are necessary
• Rev. Jim’s ministry to the LGBQ community
• The importance of making stories mean something to us individually
More about Rev. James Martin:
America Magazine: https://www.americamagazine.org/voices/james-martin-sj
Come Forth book: https://www.amazon.com/Come-Forth-Promise-Greatest-Miracle-ebook/dp/B0B1DSFWJ1?ref_=ast_author_mpb
James Martin books: https://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B002L09ZEY/allbooks?ingress=0&visitId=2509ea2c-b4f4-47ff-9ed2-25ae8825909d&store_ref=ap_rdr&ref_=ap_rdr
Social media links:
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/FrJamesMartin/
Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/jamesmartinsj/
Twitter: https://twitter.com/JamesMartinSJ?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor
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Monday Dec 04, 2023
Episode 237 - Meeting The Shadow On The Spiritual Path
Monday Dec 04, 2023
Monday Dec 04, 2023
In this episode we talk about the shadow and how important it is to the spiritual path. Have you ever wondered how spiritual leaders and gurus who claim to reach high levels of consciousness can get caught up in sexual or financial scandals, or just generally misbehave in relationships? Or how independent adults can give up their own authority and give blind faith to someone else? In this episode we’ll learn about that and more. Listen to the end to learn about the separate lines of development and how we have shadow material stuck in each chakra. This is very important spiritual work!
Guest bio: Connie Zweig is a retired psychotherapist, former executive editor at Jeremy P Tarcher Publishing, former columnist for Esquire magazine and contributor to the LA times. She has been on a spiritual path, practicing and teaching meditation for more than fifty years - exploring the light and dark side of contemporary spirituality. Her award-winning book, The Inner Work of Age: Shifting from Role to Soul, extends her work on the Shadow into midlife and beyond and explores aging as a spiritual practice. She is a wife, stepmother, and grandmother. In all these roles, she practices the shift from role to soul. Connie’s latest book is Meeting the Shadow on the Spiritual Path – The Dance of Darkness and Light in Our Search for Awakening.
Some of the topics we discuss are:
• Our focus on the light and not the dark
• Meditation doesn’t solve our emotional problems, prayer doesn’t resolve our trauma, affirmations don’t bring us relief or awakening
• We don’t want to give up the practices but we want to expand to include the full spectrum of life
• We can’t “grow up” with spiritual practices only
• Meditation can help prepare us to meet our shadow
• If I recognize my shadow characters I can have a moment where I can make another choice – requires self-reflection and moral development
• Narrow cultural identities that are so popular today miss the spiritual identity
• Most of humanity is tribal, not yet individuated out of the group
• There are separate lines of development in us – emotional, spiritual, moral, cognitive
• There is shadow material stuck in every chakra
If you want to learn spiritual shadow work with other people (free groups), email conniezweig@gmail.com and put "Spiritual Shadow" in the subject line
Links:
Website: https://conniezweig.com/
The Inner Work of Age: https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1644113406?tag=simonsayscom
Meeting the Shadow on the Spiritual Path: https://www.amazon.com/Meeting-Shadow-Spiritual-Path-Awakening/dp/1644117223
#shadowwork #awakening #awakeningsoul #consciousness #spiritualshadow #chakrahealing
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Sunday Nov 26, 2023
Sunday Nov 26, 2023
Born into an impoverished Ozarks hillbilly upbringing, Barbara Jenkins was always a dreamer, which led her to high adventure. As a young woman living in New Orleans in 1976, she dropped work on her master’s degree to walk across America with her newly wedded husband, Peter Jenkins. Their three-year, 3,000-mile walk across America became one of the most popular stories in the National Geographic Magazine in 1979. Her story is one of faith, courage, fortitude, humility and forgiveness – all essential elements of the spiritual journey. After 40 years of silence, Barbara now reveals how she experienced the famous walk across America and its crushing aftermath in her memoir, So Long as It’s Wild. In this episode we learn about the spiritual lessons she learned on her compelling life adventure. Some of the many things we discuss are:
· We are all dreamers –cultivate your own dreams!
· Callings don’t necessarily come as a command, but as a question
· You declare your own destiny by the next step that you take – it’s not preordained
· There are many ways we are protected by the Divine
· Endurance and long-suffering can serve us well – they prepare us for future challenges
· Walking in faith is not knowing what the next step is - taking life one day at a time and trusting God to lead you
· Every person has a destiny – it’s important to find your own
· We can use our internal struggles to catapult us to greater things
· Fear of the unknown keeps us stuck
· The importance of telling your own story
· Spirit guides show up in many ways, including people and animals
· There is so much beauty and life around us that we fail to notice
“Although Peter chose a different path than the one we started together, all human beings are flawed, and I’m chief among them,” says Jenkins. “I was pathetically naive, codependent, self-righteous, and stubborn as an Ozark mule. For reasons I may never understand this side of eternity, walking across America; enduring heartache, love, and loss; and laying down my marriage was my destiny. And I wouldn’t change a thing. It was tangled and messy at times, but I’ve learned to do two things: keep repenting and keep forgiving. God’s grace will do the rest. Let not your heart be troubled. Go on your way because like me, whatever your destiny is, you are the apple of God’s eye. Hear the words of my dirt-poor and sweet ole’ Granny from the Ozarks: ‘Everything will be all right.’” — Barbara Jenkins
website: https://www.barbarajojenkins.com/
book: https://www.amazon.com/So-Long-Its-Wild-Standing/dp/1947297716
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Monday Nov 20, 2023
Episode 235 - How To Thrive At Family Gatherings with Martha Creek
Monday Nov 20, 2023
Monday Nov 20, 2023
“Go within or go without” is Martha Creek’s concise and clear mission and vision. A double ordained minister, self-employed consultant, speaker, coach, leader and workshop facilitator, Martha has a unique and endearing coaching style. In her work she helps people function at higher levels in their professional and personal relationships, honoring others while staying true to themselves. This episode is chock full of useful guidance and is timed to support you in navigating some of the challenges you may face at family gatherings, such as Thanksgiving. Martha’s latest book is Presence and Potential - Experience Your Higher Self and Live in Wholeness. This is a book for anyone with the desire to increase their leadership and their lower anxiety. Some of the topics we discuss are:
• Breaking patterns of relating
• The crazy expectation that people will show up differently
• How to refuse to be coerced by others
• The false belief that we can stop the suffering of others
• The importance of keeping relationships open and focused on the person, not others who aren’t there
• The traps of gossip
• Be willing to learn – what is possible?
#spirituality #differentiation #truetoyourself #stayconnected
#familychallenges
Martha's links:
Website: https://marthacreek.com/
Book: https://www.amazon.com/Presence-Potential-Experience-Higher-Wholeness/dp/B0CL4XQ36R
YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@marthacreek
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Monday Nov 13, 2023
Episode 234 - In Service to Others with Marla Hughes
Monday Nov 13, 2023
Monday Nov 13, 2023
Marla Hughes is passionate about children -- learning from their wisdom, preserving their divine connection and creating rituals to support them in their challenging times. She answers the call of her intuition to take dramatic actions, anchored in love, in the world. Together with her daughter, she brought play to refugee children in Poland. She founded the Ethiopian Family Fund, a non-profit dedicated to improving the lives of Ethiopian children. She travels annually to Ethiopia where she learns to slow down and appreciate the simplicity of life while being in service to local communities. She also recently authored her first children’s book, Love Magic, which inspires children who have lost oved ones to reconnect with them in the here and now. Marla is the founder and host of the podcast, Interviews with Innocence, where she explores how children can help us reconnect with our spiritual selves. Whether you have children in your life or not, in this episode you will learn about the light and hope that today’s children bring to the world and gain some ideas on how to heal and honor your own inner child from his/her breaks in belonging and unacknowledged feelings. We also discuss the wisdom of the elderly, the culture in Ethiopia, the importance of ritual and how we can bring it alive in our lives. And much more!
website/podcast: https://www.interviewswithinnocence.com/
rituals: https://www.interviewswithinnocence.com/introduction
Love Magic book: https://www.amazon.com/Love-Magic-Marla-Hughes/dp/1953912117
Ethiopian Family Fund: http://www.ethiopianfamilyfund.org/
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Monday Nov 06, 2023
Episode 233 - Questioning Spirituality with Eldon Taylor
Monday Nov 06, 2023
Monday Nov 06, 2023
Is it rational to be believe in a higher power? Or is God/Source/Spirit a fantasy “Santa Claus” crutch that appeases our childlike natures? These questions and more are explored in this episode with guest, Dr. Eldon Taylor. Eldon is a New York Times best-selling author publishing on a wide range of topics from exposing the darker sides of mind programming and brainwashing to the spiritual search for life’s meaning. He is an expert in the area of preconscious information processing and has served as an expert trial witness with regards to both subliminal communication and hypnosis. Eldon was also a practicing criminalist for over ten years where he supervised and conducted investigations and testing to detect deception. In the first half of this podcast we explore the power and susceptibilities of the human mind. In the second half we dig into his latest book, Questioning Spirituality – Is It Irrational to Believe in God?, which explores both the atheist/scientism and believer rationales for trusting in a higher power. Among the many ideas shared in this episode are:
• When we are dishonest, we are betraying ourselves
• How and why subliminal messages work
• How we talk to ourselves is a predictor of how we will behave
• There are two ways to be tied up in the world - externally or internally through our beliefs
• Free will is not free
• Brainwashing goes way beyond MK Ultra etc. – it’s everywhere
• We have a genetic predisposition, but we can change our personalities
• What the first step to changing limiting thoughts is
• The mechanistic model of science regarding humanity
• The ‘logical’ reasons to reject spirituality
• The advantages of being spiritual and why it’s not irrational to believe in God
• “White Crow” stories that can’t be explained scientifically and attest to there being something beyond this reality –
• Eldon’s own white crow story
• Reason is a gift to decipher the language of God
Links:
Website: www.eldontaylor.com/
Questioning Spirituality book: www.amazon.com/Questioning-Spiri…God/dp/1803413018
Gotcha book: www.amazon.com/Gotcha-Subordinat…ooks%2C110&sr=1-1
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Monday Oct 30, 2023
Episode 232 - Peace Begins With Me
Monday Oct 30, 2023
Monday Oct 30, 2023
In this solocast, Rev. Carol shares the opening thoughts she presented at the 2023 Whole Planet Spirituality Forum & Retreat at Unity Village. The retreat theme was Peace Begins with Me and we explored ways we could evolve into Peacemakers on the planet. Nearly everyone wants peace, but are we doing the inner work to establish peace within ourselves? What we see in the outer world is a reflection of our consciousness! In this episode, Rev. Carol shares some suggested passages to peace. She also shares David Hawkin’s scale of consciousness and the importance of aligning our values, words and actions. Finally, she concludes with a short segment on Peace Pilgrim, a remarkable woman who walked penniless across the United States 6 ½ times to awaken the world to our common humanity and spiritual potential as peacemakers.
Links:
David Hawkins Scale of Consciousness (below): https://life-longlearner.com/how-to-measure-consciousness-using-the-map-of-consciousness-3-of-7/
Power Versus Force book: https://www.amazon.com/Power-Force-David-Hawkins-M-D/dp/1401945074
Peace Pilgrim: https://www.peacepilgrim.org/
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Rev Carol Saunders
Experienced Minister, Spiritual Leader, Speaker, Blogger and Podcast Host, with a demonstrated history working in spiritual organizations. Skilled in Nonprofit Organizations, Public Speaking, Dialogue Facilitation, Spiritual Coaching, Writing, Pastoral Counseling, Premarital/Marriage coaching, Sacred Ceremonies and Conflict Resolution. Strong media and communication professional in the spiritual awakening business. For more information, Visit the about Rev Carol Saunders in the menu above